To steal a line from a you tube commenter:
Frat initiation=voluntary participant. Prisoner = NOT VOLUNTARY PARTICIPANT. Doing things to someone that are repugnant to his/her religious beliefs==NOT OKAY. Justifying and minimizing these things = WAR CRIMINAL
The "ha ha- it's just panties" ploy was merely a way to distract from other human rights violations going on. But I really don't understand how you could confuse this with hazing, which while stupid is not the same as intimidation/interrogation. Frat boy hazing is committed by people you know (your "brothers") and it's meant to make people feel welcome (usually it ends up being stupid, dangerous and deadly -- but that's another post). But you can see frat hazing has a decidely different tone than foreign people holding someone against their will and torturing them --whether with phsyical pain or the threat of pain (keeping a large, growling dog nearby for instance).
I understand there are evil people in this world. If I had lost someone in the Twin Towers, I wouldn't trust myself to be responsible for interrogation. It's hard not to hurt and punish people who have done you wrong and declared themselves a dangerous enemy. But I expect more from my elected officials. I expect people who understand that torture is never the answer, and while we may feel attacked and wronged, it does not justify looking at another human being and sneering with disgust, "This man deserves no respect." Especially when this war's definition of an "enemy" has become so murky.
Also--- was anyone else pissed to learn how sexist many of these mental torture techniques were?
- Calling female family members whores (according to Rep. Rohrabacher "that's certainly not a nice thing to do" -- yeah, not nice)
- Putting women's underwear on their head
- questioning the prisoner's "latent homosexuality"
So we throw out the Geneva Convention, create real hostility and anger towards America and American people and at the same time propagate the notion that the worst way to humiliate men is to make them into women or homosexuals.